Civil Liberties Ain’t US

“Since the general civilization of mankind, I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. On a candid examination of history we shall find that turbulence, violence, and abuse of power by the majority trampling on the rights of the minority, have produced factions and commotions, which in republics, have more frequently than any other cause produced despotism. If we go over the whole history of the ancient and modern republics, we shall find their destruction to have generally resulted from those causes.”

-James Madison, Speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention on Control of the Military, June 16, 1788 in:  History of the Virginia Federal Convention of 1788, vol. 1, p. 130 (H.B. Grigsby ed. 1890).

  • Different but related topic: so-called Real ID. As Edward Hasbrouck has been saying from the beginning, DHS is full of shit when it claims that on such-and-such a date (constantly changing), you won’t be able to fly from certain states with a driver’s license as your ID. Despite the claims of certain know-nothings on travel blogs all over the blabbosphere, DHS can’t compel their latest hare-brained regulation. Hasbrouck said DHS would blink, and it has. He has also reaffirmed the fact that flying is a right:

    http://consumertraveler.com/columns/commentary/the-real-story-about-the-real-id-act-and-air-travel/

  • Daisiemae

    Fits right in with what Jimmy Carter had to say about our federal government calling it “an oligarchy with unlimited political bribery” resulting in “nominations for president or to elect the president.”

    Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/videos/jimmy-carter-u-s-is-an-oligarchy-with-unlimited-political-bribery-20150731#ixzz3wapfyyF4
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    It really doesn’t matter who wins the coming election–Hilary, Bernie Sanders, Jeb, Chris Christie or even Donald Trump. They are all bought and paid for by the same master, and they dance to the Master’s tune. The only difference in them is their pre-show charade. After that, it’s “Yes, Master, I’ll serve your bidding while I screw the American people.”

    The entire pay for play system must be changed before it will make any difference who is elected. When the corporate empire is making equal donations to both Democratic and Republican candidates, that should tell us something about who is calling the tune. Any person/corporation (because a corporation is a person, right?) who donates a million dollars to a candidate expects a whole lot of dancing as a thank you. And that results in a whole lot of screwing of the American people.

    • RB

      I think you are wrong about Trump being bought and paid for and that is why the RNC and DNC or so worried about his candidacy..

      Both of the entrenched parties know they have no control over Trump like they do Clinton, Bush, Rubio, or the others with the possible exception of Cruz. Trump is an outsider, has no ties to any of the parties controllers of power, and is a threat to how things are done currently.

      I’m not favoring anyone but watching from the sidelines I see the worry from both sides of the aisle by the party leaders who see themselves losing their power.

      • Daisiemae

        You say the parties have no control over Trump. That’s not quite true. The parties control whether they allow him to be their candidate. (Only with their Corporate Master’s approval, of course.)

        Neither party will allow someone to be their candidate who does not play ball with them. And playing ball means following the dictates of the CM.

        Furthermore, Trump is a corporate bigwig himself. He makes deals with these people and hob nobs with them all the time. If he screws them too bad, they will screw him back the next time he needs to make a deal with them.

        Like all the other “candidates,” Trump knows which side his bread is buttered on–and it’s not the side of the American people. All his big talk and bluster is designed to dazzle the fools and distract the masses from the puppet master behind the curtain. If he is elected president, it will be because he has made a back room deal with the Master.

        • RB

          The RNC has done just about all they can to undermine Trump’s campaign. That was behind the question asked of all candidates if they would support the candidate who wins the primary. I think that question has backfired on the RNC. Will the RNC not support Trump if the electorate picks him as the Republican candidate?

          I think it is clear that Bush was the RNC pick followed by Rubio. The public disagreed. Even the Kock brothers are complaining about the lack of influence all of their money can’t buy this time around. Reports that 20% of Democrats may cross party lines to support Trump shows that this election cycle will not be politics as usual.

          • Susan Richart

            Trump has to come out with a platform AND plans to implement that platform. “Mexico will pay for the wall” is NOT a plan.

            When he can’t produce viable ways to implement his platform, most will see the light.

            His followers don’t actually LISTEN to what he is saying. They cheered when he said wages are too high, for heavens sake. Either they weren’t listening or they think that “wages” equal “salaries.” There’s a distinct difference as we know, but it seems that Trump supporters can’t see that difference.

            NY Times today says many Republicans have begun to see the light – that their votes have produced nothing for them over the years. It’s about time.

            http://tinyurl.com/znqrabz

          • RB

            As I said in an earlier post I am not supporting anyone but sitting on the sidelines watching the show.

            On the Democratic side there is the anointed one, the socialist, and the other guy. There is no question that the DNC is in cahoots with Hillary to ensure that she is the parties pick. I just wonder how that will play out if she is eventually indicted by Justice?

            On the Republican side the chosen one is Bush but I’m not seeing many people who claim to vote being satisfied with that choice so some are pushing Rubio as an alternative but I don’t think either of those candidates are electable this time around. Then there is Carson, Christie, and the rest who just are gaining any traction. That leaves Cruz and Trump as the front runners and come primary day I predict it will be one of those two who are the pick of voters, much to the dismay of the RNC.

          • Daisiemae

            Trump’s “platform” is to say any outrageous inflammatory thing that pops into his foul brain…anything to rile up the masses.

            He doesn’t have any plan to implement any of these ridiculous claims because he knows it would be logistically and financially impossible to do most of them. And because he has no intention of doing these things.

            His backroom deal with his colleague Corporate Masters is already made out. If he becomes president, he’ll be able to put that plan into motion without a hitch because he’ll continue to dazzle the fools with more outrageous, inflammatory rhetoric. The fools will all be so busy fighting about guns and refugees that they won’t notice the additional chains being wrapped around them.

          • Susan Richart

            I agree with your first two paragraphs, but not with the 3rd. I don’t think anyone has made any deals with Trump. The Corporate Masters dont want him to be president because he can’t be controlled.

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  • Dolt

    This is why Madison and the other authors of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence specifically gave the right to the people to periodically dismantle and completely replace the Government. Unfortunately the public has never had the balls to exercise this right. I keep saying that in a twist of irony, perhaps someday the Germans will intervene and stop the tyranny of the US Government against it’s own people and others around the world.

  • RB

    At some point in almost every form of government there comes a time when the people have had enough of the high and mighty leaders bullshit games.

    I think the powerful need to keep in mind what happened to Marie Antoinette, and others like her, that get up on their high horse and lord over people.

    That old tree of liberty seems to be getting mighty thirsty!

    • Daisiemae

      Something like that going on in Oregon right now. Not saying I’m fer’em or agin’em. Just drawing a parallel.

      • That’s not how I see what’s going on in Oregon.

        • john the penis pistol

          Sometimes just like in France so long ago only violent insurrection will be whats needed to break the chains of tyranny. The second amendment exists for this reason. I believw in self determination. I also believe in self defense against violence done by the state. Its why Im against going beyond closing the gunshow loop holes. People dont have to like guns but their demand for safety doesnt trump liberty. I view each part of the bill of rights equally important. Example- first and fourth amendment are just as important as the tenth and second. Rightd can not be legislated nor legislated away

          • Joey Bach

            The 2nd amendment is the only amendment in the Bill of Rights to toss in a States right — the US Constitution is the document that splits up power between the federal and states governments.

            The concept behind the 2nd amendment was that a musket is not a big deal but 10 or 20 muskets in a trained unit was something to contend with. This is the rational of the well-regulated militia. The thought that the State could have an army to counter the federal army.

            The problem is when the technology of firearms changed that No One asked should this new technology fall under the 2nd amendment. So if you think that the firearm used in the civil war could fire 3 times a minute, then the leap in technology to firing 100 times that amount or more needs to be discussed.

            The new technology makes a individual a well-regulated militia — this is my problem with the blind following that the right to own any firearm is what the founding fathers had in mind.

            The other flip side is this is to remove “intent” to have criminal charges when it relates to technology being used to cause harm. The big example of the injustice is the Affluenza defense with respect to the DUI causing 4 deaths. Car=gun in this case and the result was that 4 died without any significant punishment — this is just plain wrong and both the DA and the judge need to be censured — the DA for not appealing the decision and the judge for agreeing with the defense.

          • John pistols penis

            You cannot say you are for the bill of rights and then pick and choose which ones you don’t like. It’s all or nothing. I also don’t agree with the ability of the prosecution to appeal trial verdicts. If you don’t like firearms don’t own one. But your desire for security does not trump ones individual rights

          • Joey Bach

            Security and individual rights need to be balanced. This is the key point to restrict weapons / prevent classes of people from keeping weapons at their home (alternative, is to have weapons at an armory)/ prevent classes of people from owning weapons. The key definition missing is what specifically constitutes a firearm that should be allowed to be at home. This is where every Congress since firearms have been improved have failed for every improvement made in firearms technology.

            This balancing act also extends to searches. The issue I have with searches is that the limits are so often exceeded that it puts the bill of rights into jeopardy.

            Trial verdict was not the issue with the drunk driving sentencing… it was the sentence itself. The appeal system is necessary. The ability to appeal must be maintained. But having the ability to appeal and receiving a favorable decision are 2 different things.

        • john the penis postol

          I never said I agree with what is going on in Oregon. The Hammonds and the county do not even want them there. Though the federal governments actions of using a terrorism charge is outrageous and sets a dangerous precedent. As for That’s Sexual Assault? Well lets just say I support dumping it along with DHS in a active volcano

    • Dolt

      I think that is the (rare) exception. The majority of populations simply complain in private, but still present papers upon demand and line up to get on the train.

      • RB

        Yes, it takes lots of abuse by government to force citizens to take whatever steps are needed to effect change. But it does happen from time to time.

        Our representative government is not so representative any longer and some kind of change will come about. It might be totally peaceful, it might be nothing more than pushing out certain powerful groups, or even more forceful actions.

        The popularity of Trump is a sign that a lot of the common folk have had all they want of politicians from both parties saying they will do such and such then not do it or do things completely in opposite to what they have stated they would do.

  • Onetinythought

    Get in the scanner, Mr. Madison