Another woman arrested for defending herself against the TSA

A South Korean woman visiting this country and, of course, having no idea that she was required to undergo physical assault as a condition of getting on a plane, was arrested at Orlando International Airport.

39-year-old Hyunjoo Kim was being groped by a TSA agent when she allegedly “slapped” said agent. If this is anything like the Yukari Miyamae case, we can safely assume that the press is just repeating the lies the TSA is feeding them. Yukari Miyamae didn’t “grope” or “squeeze” a TSA agent’s breast, despite the fact that the press kept reporting it that way, so it’s a fair bet that Hyunjoo Kim didn’t “slap” a TSA agent, though god knows she could be forgiven if she did.

The airport cops, once again, sided with the TSA and against the Constitution. But that’s what we’ve come to expect. Not only Yukari Miyamae, but also Andrea Abbott, John Brennan, Aaron Tobey, and Carol Jean Price can tell you about that. As well as some of the thousands of people in this list.

Welcome to the USA. No wonder tourism is down.

  • Paleotech USA

    Hey, I’m probably
    more dedicated to defending my rights than 90 percent of you are. However, you
    hurt the cause by spreading cartoonish hyperbole and lies. Get the facts straight. This particular case
    had zero to do with claims of TSA “groping” or a passenger “defending

    • Paleotech USA, thank you for informing us of your dedication to civil liberties, which, magically, you know must be greater than ours.

      Since we here at TSA News have been covering this agency for years, and documenting the thousands of accounts of abuse, we take reports such as the one you posted with a little more skepticism. Perhaps you should try it some time.

      • Paleotech USA

        Dear Lisa,

        My, aren’t we snippy? I clearly hit an insecure and very amateur chord with you. You cleverly state that you have documented thousands of reports of abuse, yet omit
        the number of verified or proven cases.
        I had hoped that your blog site would contain scientific, or at least objective material that could be used to further the common good. Alas, I find unsubstantiated opinion from malcontents who didn’t get enough attention as children.
        Thanks for reminding me to click the links.

        Your tone is that a protected and self-entitled person who has never risked her neck for anything in her life. You are not a news service. Rather, you appear to be a hack blogger using a very real problem as a compensitory device. Our working group finds it impossible to take you seriously.
        I think that we’re done here aren’t we?

        • Daisiemae

          “Never risked her neck for anything in her life?” Lisa has her real name on this blog. In this day and age, I’d say that’s a pretty big risk right there.

          What’s your name, Paleotech? What are you risking?

        • CelticWhisper

          You seriously think Lisa’s in this for money? It seems my typical eloquence is failing me as, despite my best attempts to elucidate in detail how staggeringly brazen an assertion that is, the best response I can give is FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE. Many of us have found that this fight COST us money and yet we’re fighting it anyway. I, for one, could fly for free anywhere in the US and yet I dropped cash on a train ticket last spring to take a vacation, and will be taking a 2000-mile road trip in a couple of weeks, all for the sole purpose of rejecting TSA-infected modes of transportation. And yeah, it’s a lot more expensive than it would be to arrange for free WN fare. I’m far from the most drastic example, either – I believe it was Wendy Thomson who gave up a good job due to air-travel requirements, in order to no longer have to interact with TSA and its clerks-not-officers-not-agents and their probing digits.

          Also, regarding Lisa’s refusal to put herself at risk – I realize this is anecdotal and I have no power to compel you to believe it, but she’s stated in the past that she uses her real name in order to prove her convictions. You could say that puts her above me, though I’d like to think my convictions speak for themselves in spite of my pseudonym. TSA has harassed people before for making life inconvenient for the agency – just ask Stacy Armato or Rand Paul – it takes guts to speak plainly against them under one’s own name.

          TSA News Blog is not the service that documented thousands of reports of abuse – that’s #TSArants, but thanks for paying attention anyway. What TSANB does have is one of two shorter but more detailed lists of legal actions taken against TSA clerks. Check the “Master List” tab at the top of the page. Again, it should speak for itself in short order.

          Your attempt at armchair psychology is beneath my mention and I’ll not dignify it with even so much as a quote.

          YOU are, indeed, done here.

        • Did I miss something? Who is your working group?

          There’s quite a bit of scientific, objective material on this site, although this particular blog post is somewhat sketchy because most of the important facts about this incident aren’t known. Try for an article with a more didactic tone.

          As for Lisa Simeone, you should Google her to find out just how big a price she’s paid for her activism. When was the last time you lost your job for something you believed in?

        • Susan Richart

          Man up and give us your real name and the name of your “working group.” Otherwise, you are nothing but a troll, a troll who probably works for the TSA.

    • The news reports have definitely included mention that this woman received a patdown, which means the woman endured a highly offensive sexual assault. That she later lost her cool over her belongings being confiscated by her attacker is perfectly understandable. Victims of sexual assault often have reactions ranging from fear and withdrawal to rage and lashing out.

      • Paleotech USA

        Think what you will. Your skewed definition of sexual assault does not meet the legal standard in any court. It has ben determined that she was not the vitim of a sexual , or any other, assault.
        Hey, I don’t like being touched either. I don’t like the TSA or the government looking at my stuff at all. Heck, I’m a good American who doesn’t like to be told what to do by anyone. But, inflamitory and unrealistic statements hurt the cause of freedom.

        • The TSA hires people to touch the sex organs of innocent people, including minor children, against their will. Yes, using coercion and threats to force unwilling participants into sexual activity is sexual assault. A TSA patdown is often though not always a sexual assault.

          Yes, victims have been unsuccessful at pressing charges against their attackers because those attackers wear blue shirts with fake badges on them. The U.S. courts also approved of the Japanese internment in WWII, so courts are not a foolproof arbiter of right and wrong. The woman has not made any statement that I’m aware of about whether her genitalia were or were not fondled by a TSA employee, so neither of us can do more than guess about whether she was victimized that day.

  • Octavian

    I’ll come out and say it and of course you can all decide what you think. I will not weep when a TSA employee is murdered in an airport in retaliation for their behavior. Do I condone violence? I think I used t be against violence but am getting frustrated to the point where I not only am beginning to wish violence on employees of the State but when it happens to them regardless I’m numb to it. I’m starting to condone it. In the interest of honesty I will say that I did not feel sympathy when Congressmen Giffords was nearly killed. I felt large sympathy for the other victims but could not bring my self to feel at all bad for Giffords. I remember the reason why and that same reason rings true in my mind today. She committed treason when she voted yes on the patriot act extension. Therefore I can not feel sympathy or empathy for any violence committed against agents of the State. I had wished this would have been a turning point. That the government would recoil and that fear would encroach on them. After all when the Government fears the people their ought to be Liberty right? When someone finally makes a TSA pay the ultimate price for what I personally view as a complete dereliction and abandonment of the Constitution I can not in any way feel anything but condonment for whoever did it and spite for who the victimized agent of the State was. I would also like to mention (this is an interpretation and opinion) that the American Declaration of Independence not only condones violence against a verified oppressive American government but also encourages it. With that I would like to end this with a quote by President Kennedy with whom I believe understood that these darker times were coming for our nation. “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable”. These are just my opinions. I’m not here to cause a ruckus. I’m just an angry American who loves his country and has a bitter hate and sadness for the injustice being perpetrated not only domestically but around the world by my Government.

    • LeeAnneClark

      You almost had me until you mentioned that you felt no sympathy for Gabby Giffords. Meting out violence against a direct perpetrator of violence is one thing…shooting a woman in the head for her political vote is another. And KILLING people is simply not something we should even be talking about.

      Would I want to land a hard kick in the groin to the disgusting pig who shoved her thumb up my vagina at LAX, and then screamed at me when I flinched? Yes. Would I want to shoot her in the head? No.

      Perhaps my current feelings about violence in general are colored by the fact that I’m from Newtown, but your post made me feel ill. Killing people, especially for their political views, is never the way.

      • Octavian

        I respect your opinion. I am as I said am growing ill by what I view as my government abandoning its founding principles and adopting that which it has claimed for so long to stand openly against. Tyrannical governments and the growing number of totalitarian politicians who support the state through things such as ATSA, FISA, indefinite detention, undeclared wars. Notice though how I say the State and not the United States. It is a peaceful way to say I live in a totalitarian country which has embraced authoritarianism while creating a ruling plutocracy class. Would you have not wanted or wished that someone had murdered Adolf Hitler, Joesph Stalin, Chairman Mau, Mussolini? All of these agents of the State promised positive change. A return to prosperity (and through peaceful means) they were fascist wolves in sheep’s clothing. When someone like Giffords supports pro totalitarian measures such as the patriot act then yes they have two options. They can reconcile or they can continue to support the State. And the list of Liberty hating politicians continues to grow. Dianne Feinstein is just a more recent example. It’s terrible. They can either embrace peace and change their ways or what they are going to do is push people over the edge and make that violent revolution an inevitability. Would I prefer peaceful change and a return to the Bill Of Rights which I am a narrow interpret of by the way. Absolutely. I point to the French Revolution as an example. The aristocracy and the catholic clergy (the ruling class of the State) prevented such positive peaceful change for so long that the people decided they had enough. And for better or worse they rose up. The United States could still change it just doesn’t want to. The banks and the military-industrial complex and now a ever growing national security/surveillance state is rising. History is repeating its self. And it sadly isn’t repeating positives. As for you being from Newtown, Connecticut. It is a tragedy that those children were murdered. Absolutely. However, I would like to point out that this current President and the previous one have operated with state sponsored slaying of children around the world and said it’s collateral damage. Those poor children Obama supposedly cried for. How many of them had state sponsored violence administered on them or would have had it at the hands of the TSA? The only ones who need be in fear and should cowl to the peaceful wishes and positive aspirations of the American people is the government. I admit my previous post had some crass and radical rhetoric in it. What it comes down to is that I’m sick of the oppression by my government. Enough is enough. Whenever I hear someone talk about National Security I can only think “National Security is the age old cry of an oppressive State”. Where is the moral sense of justice and liberty and the right to self determination that was rightfully woven as a battle standard against the axis powers in World War Two? I’d like a return to those principles but applied domestically. No more war and no more TSA

  • Maggoozer

    Thank goodness Kim reacted to her sexual assault as any normal human should. She struck back. She, too, is my hero.

  • RB

    It would be helpful to have an honest accounting of just what happened. Anything from TSA can be tossed in the trash as they have proven themselves to be prolific liars.

    I’ll give benefit of doubt to a visitor to our country knowing TSA readily assaults travelers daily.

  • CelticWhisper

    But but but…they were only doing their joooooooooooobs!

    Kim is a hero. My only dissatisfaction in reading this article comes from the fact that she didn’t put them in the hospital.

    Activist groups can say what they want – I understand the need for good PR. I, however, DO CONDONE what Kim did in this situation. The pedosmurf clerks-not-officers-not-agents deserved this and far, far worse. I hope this is the start of an escalating trend. Maybe if the fascist sacks of shit are terrified to go to work every day we’ll start seeing some real change in our airports. Maybe if THEY start having nightmares about the airport the way I (and many others, like the four-year-old they traumatized this past spring for the “crime” of hugging her grandmother) do, the rights of the people will once again see some recognition.

  • Daisiemae

    I keep hoping to find something that tells what really happened. Yukari gave a radio interview and told her story. I hope Hyunjoo finds a way to get her story out there. She looks like a very sweet lady….nothing like the crazy lunatic they are portraying.

  • Daisiemae

    What on earth does this have to do with TSA?

  • Another Guest

    What I don’t understand is why people continue to fly,and accept this abuse.If enough people said no more flying till this stops,it would stop.

    • Another Guest, you’re right. But most people aren’t willing to do that. They’d rather see their rights trashed than make even a small sacrifice.

      • LeeAnneClark

        Lisa, I’m sure you know that I am in full support of disbanding the TSA, and I support 100% what you are doing with this blog. As a victim of TSA assault myself, I think they should all be arrested and tried for sex crimes.

        But I do get tired of the shame that is continually heaped on the heads of those of us who refuse to give up flying. It’s not a “small” sacrifice by any measure.

        Think of people who need to fly to distant locations for medical care, such as 12-yr-old Shelbi Walser, who was assaulted in her wheelchair as she and her mother were flying to Florida for medical treatments.

        Think of people who have family located too far away to visit by any means other than flying. How exactly should my friend Gale go visit her father, who is living in a care facility in Honolulu while Gale lives in Texas, where she and her husband work and their children go to school? How should I visit my own elderly mother, who lives several states away?

        And what about people who have to travel for work? What should my friend Dave do, who is the western region field rep for a technology company, and needs his job to support his family? The technology that he works on is uncommon and scattered…there aren’t enough located in any one city to keep him employed working on them. Yet this is what he knows how to do. Should he give up his years of training and take a job at Micky D’s?

        And what about vacations? Perhaps you think that it’s only a small sacrifice to give up vacation travel, but for me it’s not small. One of my greatest life pleasures over the past ten years has been taking my mother around the world. She sacrificed so much to raise us kids, as a widow living on veterans benefits…and taking her to all the places on her bucket list has been one of my greatest joys. Why should I have to give that up?

        Yes, we need to stop the TSA. We need to be active in the fight to abolish this abusive agency and their criminal tactics. But sacrificing our families, our livelihoods, and in some people’s cases, our very health is not the way to do it.

        Please stop shaming us.

        • LeeAnne, I’m not shaming anyone. I’m stating a fact. I’ve written about this more times than I can count and have said repeatedly that I sympathize with people who are forced to fly — for work, for medical conditions. But again, as I’ve also repeated, that’s not the majority of people. It’s a fair number, but it’s not most people who fly. Most people aren’t forced to fly. I’m one of them. And I think we should starve the airlines — not only for ourselves but precisely for all those others who can’t do it, who are forced to fly.

          Here’s yet another time I wrote about it:

          And we’re not talking years of sacrifice, which is what it was for the civil rights movement. We’re talking months. People who aren’t forced to fly can’t sacrifice two months??

        • 1amWendy

          LeeAnne, you should not have to give up things that give you and your family joy. It comes down, however, to priorities. I should not have HAD to give up my job, but having to frequently submit to the TSA in all their worst “glory” made me choose. I chose my emotional well-being. I should not have HAD to give up my family reunion this last Christmas, but I did not have the lead time to get train tickets. I chose my emotional well-being.

          So, there you go. I am sacrificing my family and I did sacrifice my livelihood. The way the TSA has treated me really is that bad. I shouldn’t have to sacrifice my sanity to work or see my family, either.

          • LeeAnneClark

            I hear you, Wendy. And you’re right, it’s absolutely sickening that we’re even placed in a situation where we’re forced to make that choice.

            As much as I am horrified by what the TSA does to me, I would feel more horrified if I gave up the things that are so important to me, such as seeing my family and traveling. I also think that I can make more of a difference by fighting the TSA in other ways: being vocal about it, trying to educate people, writing my congress-critters frequently, being active online. And when I do fly, NOT quietly accepting their abusive treatment.

            I may very well end up getting arrested some day for refusing to allow a TSA clerk to sexually assault me – but if I do, so be it. I’m willing to take that risk. And if that does happen, I can only hope that the media attention it generates (because trust me, I will NOT be silent!) will do more to shed light on this terrible injustice, and educate Americans about the horrors of this abusive government agency, then quietly giving up traveling would ever do.

            We all have to choose how we’re going to fight the TSA. I choose by NOT giving up my life, and by being vocal and active. I hope that all choices are respected by all others who are active in this fight.

          • Octavian

            You give them a reason no matter how false to continue to exist. The less amount of people that fly when they don’t have to takes away the TSA’s legitamacy and harms the complicit airlines ecocomically. I’ll respect your chosen method of disobediance but I can not see why you would want to deal with them when you could avoid it. I suggest you read some Dr. King on regards to how economic boycott can bring down an oppressive system. Bankruptcy works and I for one don’t have a problem with forcing complicit airlines from executives to janitors from losing their jobs same with TSA. Send them all to the poor house. Or get serious in the same mannor of the vic. OP wrote about and don’t be afarid to be violent with them. Sorry Leanne I respect and will defend your right to your voiced opionion I just think its short sighted.

          • Daisiemae

            Yes, “I suggest you read some Dr. King.”

            “Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars”

            Martin Luther King, Jr.

          • Ostavian

            RE-reading what I said will clearly show you that I offered my opinion in a suggestion format. I shall also leave this conversation by wishing you a fond evening and an agreement to disagree.

          • LeeAnneClark

            Thank you for linking to the article that shows that there are other, just as valid and effective, means of fighting the TSA besides refusing to fly. (I meant to say this when you posted it earlier, but forgot.)

            Yes, refusing to fly is one important tactic in this fight. But not all of us have the ability to use that tactic.

            In that linked article you compared refusing to fly with the Montgomery bus boycotts during the civil rights battle. Yes, those were admirable actions, and they worked. But allow me to point out that this was a very short-term action, and the boycotters did not, in fact, give up their jobs – they found other means of transportation. This is documented in history:

            “Instead of riding buses, boycotters organized a system of carpools, with car owners volunteering their vehicles or themselves driving people to various destinations. Some white housewives also drove their black domestic servants to work. Black taxi drivers charged ten cents per ride, a fare equal to the cost to ride the bus, in support of the boycott. In addition to using private motor vehicles, some people used non-motorized means to get around, such as cycling, walking, or even riding mules or driving horse-drawn buggies. Some people also hitchhiked.”

            So yes, the boycott was effective. But the boycotters were smart about it – they didn’t give up their jobs, their families, their livelihoods. They managed to fight their battle, and make their point, without a huge, unacceptable impact on their lives.

            If none of them had a way to get to their jobs, do you think that they would have still done it? I would guess the answer to that is NO. Fighting for the what’s right is important, but few people would be willing to sacrifice their families. What these people did is find a way to fight it without having to hurt their families.

            That’s all I’m trying to do. I’m glad that there are some who are able to boycott flying – we need that tactic. But I hope that those of us for whom that sacrifice would be too great, will be respected for our choices.

            Just as I have no doubt that the civil rights fighters in Montgomery would respect the workers who would not be willing to give up feeding their families, and instead chose other methods to participate in the fight.

          • Yes, I also linked to it in my first reply to you in this thread (7 days ago). I hope that people will continue to come up with ways to resist and publicize them. We can use all the help we can get.

          • Octavian

            Again, I offered my opinion in a suggestion format. A fine evening to you Ms. Simeone. As my final post I’d like to say that I respect what you and your team do here. I shall hence, agree to disagree when needed and always defend a persons right to say what they want even if I do not agree. As you are a moderator here I would like to encourage you in your writings to not be afraid to shame or even come off as insulting to anyone. The truth is you are older than me and are established in the journalism world. I do come here to read the articles because It seems to me you and your team don’t hold back. Keep writing the way you do and don’t be afraid of anyone who thinks they are being attacked. Never alter what you have to say to make anyone person or groups feel better. “Don’t take no shit” Cheers. I will apologize right here and now for perhaps sounding crass. But I won’t apologize for what I said in my posts. If anything I have learned to try to tailor what I say in a more studious way while remaining direct. I shall continue to contribute to your monthly website hits!

          • LeeAnneClark

            Okay, so this is exactly what I was talking about when I started this thread: shaming me for NOT giving up flying.

            If you don’t feel you are shaming me, here are some specific examples:

            “I’ll respect your chosen method of disobediance but I can not see why you would want to deal with them when you could avoid it.” — you say you respect my method, but then in the same sentence say you don’t see why I would do it! And let me also point out that you assume I could “avoid it,” without recognizing the cost to me of avoiding flying. Sure, I could give up my vacation travel (which is not acceptable to me, given I’ve worked all my life just so I could afford to do the things I love, and that’s the key one). But give up ever seeing my family again? Never seeing my elderly mother, who does not have that much time left on this planet? Not going out there to help when she needs surgery or has a medical emergency(which has happened several times in the past couple of years)? Should I skip her funeral too? REALLY? You think that’s an acceptable method of civil disobedience – abandoning my family?

            “I suggest you read some Dr. King on regards to how economic boycott can bring down an oppressive system.” — So here you assume I’ve never read anything by Dr. King and don’t understand the concept of economic boycott. I assure you I have, and I do. And I respect the people who are willing and able to boycott flying. But the cost to me of doing so is simply too great. We all need to make our own choices of what we can and will do to fight this battle – and never seeing my mother again is not one of them. I will not sacrifice HER.

            “Or get serious in the same mannor of the vic. OP wrote about and don’t be afarid to be violent with them.” — And here you suggest I’m NOT serious! So you say you respect my method, but say it’s “not serious” because it’s not the same one as Lisa? Sorry but that just doesn’t fly. You do not get to tell me whether I’m serious or not. And being willing to be ARRESTED isn’t serious? Really?

            “Sorry Leanne I respect and will defend your right to your voiced opionion I just think its short sighted.” — And I suppose you’re going to tell me now that saying I’m “short sighted” isn’t shaming me for the method I’ve chosen? Really? And just how much are YOU willing to sacrifice? Are YOU giving up ever seeing a parent or child again? Are YOU willing to leave an elderly relative alone with no assistance in a time of need? Really? If not, then I would ask you to stop shaming ME for not being willing to do that.

            This was exactly the point I was trying to make. We’re all on the same side here – we want to STOP this abusive, offensive government agency from assaulting us and trampling on our rights. There are many ways to participate in this fight, all of them valid. But if we’re going to be attacking each other for the methods we each choose, then we’re going to crumble and accomplish nothing.

          • Octavian

            I’m perfectly happy to let this end here. Have a wonderful evening. I shall agree to disagree Ms Clark.

          • LeeAnneClark

            Well given that I just realized you’re the same person who posted that you support violent actions such as shooting Gabby Giffords in the head, I realize now that it would be impossible for us to agree on anything. So yes, let’s end this here.

            And thank you to the Mods for deleting that disturbing post.

          • octavian

            So you can not part ways amicably. Fair enough. I however, shall hold up my would be end of it. You do never have to like what anyone else says but you should always defend their right to say it no matter how greusome or even the opposit. No I don’t agree with you either nor do I like your handling of the situation. But I can guarntee you Ms. Clark that I would be saddned if your view was centured or censured. Granted I am guessing this will be disregarded and that is your right to do so I shall wish you a fine morning and a fine day non the less. I sincerely wish you the best. And if anything came out of this which I think what you unknowingly-unwillingly did was provoke a lot of thinking on my part and in that you have thanks.

          • CelticWhisper

            I have to agree with what LeeAnne said with regard to us being on the same side.

            As an active member of Travel Underground, as well as (I’d like to think) an emerging active poster here at TSA News Blog, I’ve seen how some differences of opinion, methodology and political alignment have already created rifts between members and groups of the Travel Freedom (again, correct me if there’s a better or more-agreed-upon term for our cause) movement.

            I understand that we’re all in different situations and are bringing different life experiences to the table here. TUG is, in general, taking on a slightly Republican/Conservative flavour due to member interest (I exclude myself from this due to, after much evaluation, not really falling neatly into any US political niche) and the current association between Republican interest in cost-cutting and privatization, and TSA representing an easy target for trimming the budgetary fat. TSA News Blog seems to have a journalistic flavor due to Lisa and Christopher having been involved with various media outlets. AK-FTT-USA has local interests, being Alaska-centric.

            That said, I’d like to think we can let these differences strengthen us rather than create disagreement and tension. Remember who the real enemy is. Our enemy, We The People(TM)’s enemy, the enemy of the right of a person to move around the country or world unmolested (in multiple senses of the word) – TSA themselves.

            I see where LeeAnne is coming from – there are very powerful emotional or moral imperatives that can exert significant sway over a person’s actions or plans, even beyond what TSA is sometimes able to do. For LeeAnne, family closeness is, I assume, among them. For others in the Travel Freedom movement, like Lisa, principle is among them. I do not intend, by any stretch of the imagination, to imply that these are mutually exclusive or that LeeAnne doesn’t struggle with weighing familial obligation against ideological principle.

            Some of us come from backgrounds where standing up for what you believe in, even if you stand alone, is the most important thing in life. Others come from a “family is everything” perspective. As a sort of wayward son of a large-yet-tightly-knit Irish family, whose father taught him the importance of being true to himself, I suppose I can see both sides.

            Lisa isn’t wrong in her assertion that sacrifices must be made if change is to be effected. LeeAnne isn’t wrong in her assertion that human closeness isn’t something to be trifled with.

            Where I think we can agree is the fact that TSA is demanding inordinately, unreasonably huge sacrifices of those who would make them, whilst simultaneously trying the convictions of those who would maintain family bonds over distances most efficiently spanned by air travel.

            The bottom-feeding rat bastards are charging a steep price in dignity for those of us who want to visit loved ones, and robbing others of their wanderlust at glovepoint.

            “Can’t we all just get along” is a tired cliche, but in spite of that it is not empty. We may not all fight TSA in the same way, but I do believe we’re all on the side of dignity and freedom here. I’m hoping we can set details aside and focus on solidarity.

          • LeeAnneClark

            Thanks Celtic. As always, you’ve hit all the nails on the head. Thanks for re-stating my points so articulately.

  • Wintermute

    When we arrest people for defending themselves against sexual assault, there is something seriously messed up in this country.

    • Wintermute, yes, there is. And there are a lot of seriously messed up Americans because they not only tolerate but welcome this abuse.

      • Daisymae

        And what’s even more disturbing is that many of them seem to take a rabid pleasure in the abuses being meted out to other innocent people.

        That actually frightens me more than TSA does. TSA can only exist with the complicity of the public. The apathy of the vast majority of Americans is the main culprit allowing the TSA monster to live; however, the vicious sadism of a large percentage of the public could catapult this monster to heights we could never imagine.

        I don’t believe any individual can count on the American public to come to our rescue no matter what heinous acts TSA commits. It is far more likely that the public will join in the attack.

        It’s just like pack animals. When the lead dog attacks (TSA), the rest of the pack joins in for the kill.